any chance or hope that mixed in key integration is coming to engine desktop anytime soon
Wrong place to ask iām afraid, itās down to the MIK developers and i asked approximately 2 years ago and was met by silence from them.
You will have to register on their facebook page in order to try and engage with them but i wouldnāt hold my breath.
I use MIK then import to Serato then import to Engine, itās a bit clumsy but it works.
Do you have MIK? If not, itās well worth buying it.
If you do, use the feedback submission page of the app to pass this info along. Iāve had some back and forth with them about ensuring MIK is compatible with Dropbox. Theyāre aware of the Denon players having Dropbox integration, and if Pioneer ever adds Dropbox support, theyāll have to get that compatibility rolling pretty quickly.
Anyway, the point is that the guys behind MIK mentioned they have Denon SCx000ās and prefer them, according to what I was told.
It sounds like we canāt rely on the Engine DJ/OS algorithm at all. Is it really that bad compared to MIK ? If so, maybe we should try to convince Denon DJ to improve it.
I donāt know who this was intended for but iāll answer.
Yes i have MIK and have owned it for the past 6 years i think, which would have been around the time i got my Traktor S4 Mk III.
The Denon range of players have been on the market for what 5, almost 6 years and still there is no āfullā MIK integration, so either there is something stopping them from adding or there is no passion for them to add, makes no sense, surely they would want to increase their user base and therefore profits.
@Aquadics this was from a user on Reddit, clearly out of date now seeing as itās from 2020, however, considering that Engine was ranked ahead of Serato and Virtual DJ even then wasnāt too bad, as far as iām aware this test was never updated.
[edit] actually the informtion was updated in 2022 which puts Engine right up there 8)
I wouldnāt be at all surprised if MIKs developers are taking backhanders from āanother equipment manufacturerā simply NOT to start any plans for Engine integration
I just let each software analyse the music then mix with it. Iāve never compared but then Iāve also never really felt there have been any issues with any of them⦠if and when Iām using keys as a guide to mix it always works pretty well, but then thatās all I ever use keys as, a basic guide on some mixes.
@Pasha i think thatās a bit too TV, any business wants to grow, and although we have no sales figures for Denon DJ equipment i would be surprised if it does not amount to 6 figures.
@STU-C being a bedroom guy, i mix what i like, might not be to others aural pleasures but i donāt really do it for props or money, but i fully understand the need for DJās and producers [who canāt detect key by ear to use the software, but you know, itās quick and easy, and you get bonus cue points set which are āmostlyā accurate, at least for me.
My post was directed to you. Iām still figuring out the quoting system in the forum.
What exactly do you mean āfull integrationā? Do you mean MIK licensing their analysis engine to Denon?
If Denon licensed MIKās software, that would increase costs a good bit, and that additional cost to gain 10% more accuracy might not be worth it.
Sorry, i should have been a bit more descriptive there.
Currently MIK will embed āKey tagsā into your tracks which Engine will be able to read, however, it cannot export ācue pointsā which can be read in Engine, hopefully i got that right.
Hence why i use Serato to import cue points to Engine once i have processed them through MIK, bit of a hack i guess but unless the development team actually support Engine then thatās the only way i know how to do it.
InMusic donāt need to license MIK engine in my book, looking at the stats from theāKey detection comparisonā from 2022, Engine is doing a bloody good job, and considering how young Engine is compared to some of the competition thatās pretty strong.
Thanks for the update! Yes weāre starting to get a lot of requests for better Denon support. I have Denon players myself and find them to be far superior to Pioneer which I had used up until recently.
The above is from Andy, who has been responding to my emails back and forth about improvements to MIK that could be useful. The point is that theyāre sympathetic to Denon devices and Engine OS.
Anyway, Iām here because Iām using Serato with an X1850 and a pair of LC6000ās, and havenāt really used Engine yet. Iām still sort of on the fence about getting an SC6000 or even two (doing 4-deck mixing & layering with Serato currently).
That said, I have no idea how the cue points work in Engine, but I do know that MIKās auto cue point detection is pretty awful⦠at least for my usage. I turned off exporting of cue points from MIK because I was having to delete 6 or 7 cue points in Serato anyway. At least it usually got the first cue point right. LOL
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You canāt deny that.
Some of a certain brands āincentivesā to hinder competition are quite well known
I get it, but i prefer not to buy into all that stuff.
Plus, InMusic/Denon are way bigger than MIK, i would suggest if anyone was looking to get into bed with someone it would be MIK fluffing up the duvet
So they are still showing compatibility with MIK11 / MIK11 pro.
Probably worth anyone whoās wanting the integration to point out that it works for cues for RB/Serato/VDJ so engine is the only one left out and Lexicon and Mixo have worked out engine cues so why canāt MIK.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe engine is the only one that doesnāt write information to the song and stores it just in the DB ?
(and reason I re-opened this, is this is the top result for 3 different googles queries about this)
Do we know how Serato gets the cue pointes from MIK because it looks like Engine is reading the cue pointes from Serato. So if MIK just would be able to write Serato cue points Denon would read it straight away.
I would not use the automatically created cue points from MIK because for me they are more intended to be used as a jump mark to go from one to another part in a song but to maintain cue points in a central place (MIK) would be a good idea.
Thatās the odd thing, the serato cue points are there, itās what VDJ reads, but Engine seems to have stopped reading them.