It seems a certain few on here have a clear anti-Pioneer or anti-CDJ agenda …
… Should anyone new to the forum dare request any features on a Pioneer CDJ missing from the Denon SC player range and or EP then they get met with hostile replies and get talked down telling them how such features apparently are not needed because their own workflow don’t need or use it, or how you need to use a work-around.
Should one then explain how such a feature is needed for many DJ’s and or how it has many uses under different scenarios, then one is then again talked down or implied by some how their DJ skills are lacking compared to those using Denon gear without such a feature.
It’s a vulgar attitude and seems to be the norm on here when users coming from the competition ask questions.
In the end I sold my Prime 4 and kept the DDJ 1000, the workflow, the effects and a few other annoinces did it for me.
Great kit, it’s 90% there for me.
I get this a lot on Bitwig and Ableton forums, too. Whenever I point out the obvious, the fanbois lash out at me. I don’t get it. There is no shame in admitting a competitor has got something right and copying it.
IMO the only way to beat Pioneer is to be equal to or better than Pioneer. If Denon’s product is better than Pioneer in some areas but lacking in others, the product is not better—it’s just different—, and unfortunately that’s not going to convert any Pioneer users who are already invested in the Pioneer ecosystem.
Regardless of whether, Denon Gear DJ’s like it or not, Pioneer and CDJ’s are the industry standard for Pro DJ club use. Regardless of whether they like the price or not, that’s the facts and the benchmark!
So when a DJ is used to that club standard eco-system and is looking to make the leap of faith to Denon and asks about features, certain users on here need to remember that and stop being so hostile.
It’s not just that people on here are hostile, it’s that those requesting features generally are too. Phrases like “must have”, “industry standard”, “impossible to use”, “useless” are banded around which simply are untruths/falsities designed to invoke an emotional response to their request and add more gravitas to it. I think this one in particular is totally lost as hot cues do exactly this and more, I fail to see why a separate variation on the same thing is needed. It may not be exactly as Pioneer do, but the EXACT outcome (i.e. a cue that slides passed whilst mixing) is very possible on the Denon. If you don’t actually ever wish to trigger it, fine, but it does what a memory cue does. Yes there is no tick down to it, but by zooming out you can see it coming anyway and this is where it all goes off; someone says “that’s not what I want”, someone says “but you can do it”, ad naseum. Everyone wants to get their post across and no one wants to listen - the internet in full effect!!!
Problem is, a lot of people think that “equal or better” relates to features and ways of using them. In short: they want things exactly the same way as they are on pioneer, same fx and and all, for a lower price.
It happens a lot around here. For example, somebody’ll come along and say “I like the Prime 4 but I want Denon to make a pink one”. People will suggest maybe wrapping it in a pink skin, but no - “That’s not the same. I want a pink one”.
Cue the comments about “it’s easy to do”, “it’ll only take five minutes”, “I can’t DJ without this” etc etc.
OK just to be sure I’m not misreading this. Denon gear has 8 pads. Can it store more than 8 hot cues? Can it store cue points that don’t take up buttons? I don’t care how Pioneer does it, but I would like to be able to set up markers that don’t take up hot cue buttons so the pads remain available for on-the-fly beat juggling.
Well said Scoox. I would also really like it if there were markers in colors to indicate points eg yellow for vocal start, red for start instrumental break. green for whatever. Does Pioneer have such a system? That’s good for them. But I have a Denon Prime 4 and I want that too.
Well, I gather the “industry standard” comment is aimed at me. Because I said …
So @yeltsin perhaps you’d like to explain to me how that statement is both untrue and or falsities as you so put it. Because I think you’ll find it’s not, it’s a fact.
I’m not saying that you don’t have a point with the “impossible to use” or “useless” statement, but you certainly don’t with what I said.
You must be blind then because several times in this thread and many other threads this often comes up and is requested and inquired about. It’s clearly needed/wanted by many.
It wasn’t aimed at you at all, touchy. Try reading the whole post instead of taking out parts of it to suit your agenda, if you had, you would have read what I’d put, which has also been explained, many times on this thread, about how hot cues can do EXACTLY what memory cues do.
I read everything you wrote and as I’m the only one who said the “industry standard” comment, its clear it was aimed at me. And it seems you are the one being touchy and avoided the question, not me…
And the reason why you are wrong is that a HOT CUE and a Memory Cue are two completely different things and using a HOT CUE as a Memory Cue is a work-around that is not ideal, which has been explained in other threads many times.
Are you truly that facetious that you are suggesting that the act of assigning to a button makes it different?
The only reason a memory cue doesn’t assign to one, is they don’t have enough of them on a Pioneer, so they figured out a cheap work around. Watch them disappear now with the 3000s…
Again, proving my point:-
“It’s not just that people on here are hostile, it’s that those requesting features generally are too.”
Stop proving me right, every time you argue, you further validate that post. It’s fine that you don’t see it, I don’t truly care, I’m sure you don’t care that I think hot cues can do what memory cues can do. My point was the use of the language around requests, and that no one ever gets anywhere with it!!!
I’d love to agree with your ignorant case, but not being a CDJ owner, I’ve researched (the exact opposite of ignorance actually) and have drawn that conclusion. I’m yet to see anyone, anywhere, who has shown me anything otherwise. I welcome your detailed explanation (not simply a pointing to someone else’s)…
Now, if what you actually mean is “I’ve got a s*** load of memory cues saved from being an ex/current/future Pioneer user, and I’d like them converting over in some way so I can use them on Denons”, I’m happy to support that. Each to their own and all that.
You can actually watch the hot cue coming if you zoom out, as I’ve already stated, but I’ll concede that, and can understand why some would want that. Denon should have an option which can be toggled on and off to use the bar counters to cues/loops etc
Case closed, imho you’re just ignorant pal and clearly won’t admit you’re wrong and have got all touchy.
It’s cool though if you want to live in a world where HOT CUE and Mem Cue’s are the same and ignore all the facts and or others stating why they’re not then that’s your choice.
Case closed, imho you’re just ignorant pal and clearly won’t admit you’re wrong and have got all touchy.