I know it’s not good enough quality for people who want to do studio quality remixes or long @55 transitions.
But the people who use it for other reasons than mentioned above seem to have no problems using it in its current state.
I reckon it’ll be fine doing a mash up open genre type mix, where other music is playing too definitely.
I’m planning on doing a house mix using my phone to DJ, hopefully gonna find time this week, will film it too.
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Look, I know that Denon monitors these things, and if they have the gall to take as much of the market away from pioneer as they have with both the SC4 live and the prime 4, And then not give stems to all users of all the prime softwares, even the numark mix-stream ones, then not only will they ■■■■ off the entire corner of the market they stole from pioneer but they’ll end up like Gemini… We’ll never buy you again and you will fade away into non-existence… You know pioneer owns serato now too right? And you know we all use serato with your ■■■■■■■ prime systems because you don’t have stems yet. These amazing all in one systems that we still have to use a laptop with if we want to compete with other DJs. Just saying, everything’s already set up for us to save money and time and be totally back doing advanced techniques on the fly if we just go right back to pioneer. I don’t like pioneer because they’re snobby on the phone and used to charge three times what they were worth, But now that new quad is kind of worth it just because you refuse to keep up, are you going to save us as your customers or not? Stems are not that complicated buddy, virtual DJ is free and they got it down Pat. I apologize but I’m ■■■■■■ off because of a lag issue I had from my laptop to my Sc4 that would not have even happened if y’all could figure out the stems. I used to use numark as my first ever turntable, I’m talking about swearing off the hole in-music franchise, all of your companies, over this ■■■■. Do you not see that you’ve been holding out this crumb about stems for well over a year now? And to only test it on the prime 4 system? You already lost a lot, that was a stupid move. Maybe you ought to put up a wanted ad out on craigslist, you’ll get a better programmer I guarantee it. They’ll have stems set up for you within a week. This is outrageous we’ve been waiting this long. Even that lame brand that partnered with… I can’t remember the name right now but you know who they are because they have stems in their software, and they’re pretty much free. And Tractor’s been doing this ■■■■ for years. You know, ain’t no one buying You’re ■■■■■■■ systems because they are pretty or because they’re anything at all other than all in one which I have to say you all do an amazing job at and you’re freaking effects are awesome as hell, and I’m loving that touch screen. But if you ■■■■ me out of stems then I will wish every bad thing in the world upon your lame ass. I apologize again, this time for all the anger, I’m very mad at y’all right now, frustrated is a better word but I shouldn’t speak to people the way that I am right now even if they deserve it, eye for an eye leaves both of us blind. Over and out, Ain’t no peace right now, Zak Bronco
Nice first post, 7 blacklisted words… Welcome to the forum. Enjoy your stay!
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In my defense, I did apologize. Sometimes get worked up when something embarrasses me, my bad. Still, that should have been solved by now and it should be software-wide not hardware specific, Billy exiling customers instead of encouraging them to spend more money to get higher end equipment when, like I say, virtual DJ does it for free. Serato does it for free. If they can’t figure it out, work out a deal with somebody, darn.
amazing.
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Can you show me exactly where we can use Virtual DJ with stems for free please? I’m dying to see this.
Are you ‘DJ Awesome Ant’ reincarnated? But you’ve learnt what a full stop is this time?
Lastly, probably best to not be inebriated when using the forum, less chance of waffle.
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So much entitlement
You can bet your ass Pioneer will not be releasing stems for their older gear. It will be new gear only.
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My suggestion: buy an Opus Quad, find out it does not support stems in standalone and post a link to your comment on this in the pio forum here. I’m lookin forward to read that …
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well done! 
They’re a good gimmick but none of the stems from either serato, VDJ or algorithmin sound good or great when played back on their own over the top of silence.
But play any stem over the top of a different tracks instrumental stem or under a different tracks accapella stem and they all sound about the same level of usability
First i dont get the real hype about Stems, yes its cool but most here never used any acapellas in the first place (the OG stems) or complaining about the sampler, which in theory would be even better, if it is a little bit more like the akai mpc (looping of samples like snares etc.), because you can play the isolated sounds.
If you are really really really really into the stems thing and you can not tolerate the outrageous possibility that only the new hardware aka prime 4+ gets it (even while we get most updates to all hardware) just buy an Akai MPC or maschine plus. These groove boxes would be your ULTIMATE “Stem” maschine.
Not an outrageous fact…
An incorrect fact.
It’s already been established that once the beta on the Prime 4 plus has concluded, then stems firmware will be included on other existing Primes
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the Outrageous fact was more a sarcastic statement 
i change it to outragous possibility
Never said i could not wait, just enquiring and asking a genuine question, just wanted to know if it would be on the cards and i always get a little concearned when new hardware gets this, although i understand the marketing aspect and that logic, so i was curiouse becuase once other developpers start incorperating in hardware Like with the Prime 4, then for me i would have to jump ship, just my Prefrence. so calm down with the arogant reply dude, becuase thats what it is. Nobody can give that answer or at least say that we will be looking into if this is possible with The SC5000 so i guess the developer of the Prime 4 that happens to be Denon would not be able to at least know if they would be looking into it. Really Lukas u should practice some respect and manors, both your lines are just that so no excuse, Say no more you numpty.
Its sad really how questions can turn into the heated, We have all lost of rags at one stage or another to a certain extent, but a liitle decoram will go a long way and how we words things, but cheap personal shots are not so grown up at all and not far out of Primary school, see this is how you can be passive agressive and yet Polite, I jest but you get the idea haha!
Thats what we have those liitle smiley faces for or the common sense to say somthing like no offence intended (That kind of thing), anyhow its all done and dusted we live and learn and i dont intend to have a pop or even add i told you so or anything sarcastic, as sarcatic is awsom if your say Ricky Gevais with his face to Read, but it just does not translate into Print so well. Sorry M8 i could not resist, nothing personal.
C’mon it’s time to re-activate anti-bump again surely
Great question. I’m surprised at the consumer mentality of the DJ community accepting planned obsolescence. That’s why many of us kept our 1200’s turntables that are still one of the best controllers for digital music. Attaching dicers and Phase 1’s keep them relevant and not having to hop to every new shiny gear that comes out. Thank goodness for Serato doing stem seperation.
With all due respect it’s close to or more than a year and stems are still beta for the Prime 4+.
That’s not looking good at all.
Your SC 5000’s will work just fine with Serato Stems and your sc 5000’s will retain the dual layer capability for each deck. They are the digital 1200’s of this generation when hooked up to dj software and a usb mixer/hardware controllers. So if Denon decides to push the sc 5000 into obsolescence to not include features like stems, stick with Serato software.
Hi
Another great first post on the forum.
Ill try to answer your statement here. There is this thing called progression, whereby components and the power they harness increase over time. In line with that, software increases its load and performance to keep up with it.
So essentially unless InMusic could have predicted 6yrs ago that there would be this thing called Stems, then travelled in a time machine to purchase SOC processors that hadn’t been invented yet so they could be installed in their devices, nothing in this situation can be called ‘planned obsolescence’
This is the whole reason we can now use Final Cut Pro on the bottom of the range Macbook Air with an M chip, whereas a 6yr old Macbook Air wouldn’t touch it.
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