Hallo to everyone.How many of you bought denon prime 4+ because of the stems? How many of you feel wronged for the money you gave? Really, what do you intend to do? Did DENON fool us? Will DENON compensate us???
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Not me. Stems have never held much interest.
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I also bought Prime 4+ earlier this year for stems and I feel a bit ripped off. Excuse my English, I’m from Spain.
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You don’t buy a product based on what it can “potentially” or “hypothetically” do later, especially when the desired function has never been explicitly declared as being anything other than in the beta testing phase, but for what the product does and offers you at the time of purchase.
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So what do you say??? If a laundry detergent says it cleans stains, won’t you buy it for that? Or will you buy it for its pretty packaging? Does it promise something yes or no? At this particular moment there was no need to promise anything or for denon to build something. Besides, there was the prime 4. It didn’t even promise. It released a machine that doesn’t do what it says…We could buy a more economical controller and buy the virtual dj which is top in stems and not only. Think that they didn’t even install buttons for stems, like almost all other manufacturers.
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The Prime 4+ also included their more modern design language (as per the SC-6000s) and the Amazon security chip for streaming Amazon music files, i assume that was the primary reasoning for calling it the 4+ and not the 5 or anything similar.
You can look back through the timeline of events and see that the whole Stems debacle came about after it was leaked by a retailer, forcing the hand of Youtube reviewers etc. Something similar is happening right now with the XDJ-AZ, im fairly certain Alpha didnt want some guy on Youtube blabbing about it 2 weeks before it was due to be revealed.
The washing powder analogy is as silly as it sounds.
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You know that’s not my problem at all…I paid for something that doesn’t work.Thats the problem…The powder was just an example of when someone promises something,should keep the promise.Of cousrse all this money we gave, we could buy other things.
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This is what people are trying to explain to you, nothing was promised outside of of a public Beta for people to use for testing purposes. Where was anything promised?
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No, you didn’t pay for something that doesn’t work. At least not from Denon part.
Denon never advertised, that I know of, Stems as being part of Prime 4+. The ONLY thing related to Stems was the public BETA.
And even if they did. All videos I saw about Stems made it clear that it was not available. If you tested it in a store you would also see it didn’t include Stems. So there is absolutely no way for you to claim a feature that never existed doesn’t work.
If the person/store that sold you the Prime 4+ promised Stems, then you go after them, Denon can’t control much what third parties advertise, but maybe notify Denon so that they ban this store from selling their gear.
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Beta = experimental
Anything experimental has never been a promise.
There is a difference between what really is, and what you interpret as what should be for you or what you thought you understood that was.
When you purchase a product with a feature in beta, there is no guarantee that the feature will reach final development. Nor in what state the feature will be released if it comes out. Nor with what level of quality.
Simple to understand.
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Just to add, most of us here do sympathise and understand it’s a long time since the Prime 4 hit the market and still no word. Best way to view it is to assume they are trying to get it fully working before release.
I think maybe inMusic have a small team whose resources are shared between the various companies, and as there’s a lot going on with Akai’s new MPC 3 update, it means we get left behind. Apparently the standalone separation on the MPCs has just been improved.
To be honest I bought the Prime 4+ for the upgraded rubber buttons and anything else is a bonus
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My theory is that they focus on MPC because standalone stems on MPC are essentially made for sampling use and separating short samples of a few seconds. In this specific case the process is therefore quite quick. And they realized that for DJ use where tracks must be separated by several minutes, the process could be extremely slow. It is therefore not surprising that they allocate resources to where the use is most suitable.
You’ve obviously not watched the numerous “Boom Bap” guys on YouTube. 
I think there must have been a few cut scenes during editing down there.
Denon fooled nobody. You made the choice to purchase a unit which also happened to include an experimental feature that was clearly advertised as a beta. It’s important to own up to and acknowledge that fact.
I understand it’s frustrating, but your misunderstanding of the subject matter at hand does not mean Denon owes you some sort of sympathy cash back.
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Definitely fooled me 
you’re not the only one
Yes, I also feel dupped because I bought it for Stems based on the description of Stems from Zzounds.com, which is an authorized dealer/seller’s website that says the following Overview description for the Denon Prime 4+: “The PRIME 4+ brings a fresh look and next-level features to the legendary proven performance power of the PRIME 4. The world’s most powerful, advanced standalone DJ system is now better than ever with a refined look, unrivaled streaming music accessibility, dynamic FX options, 10% larger jog wheel surface, and the ever-expanding performance features of Engine DJ including the industry’s first standalone Stem separation.”
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I bought it because I was looking for the best all in one system available at the time, since I was really tired of being tied to a laptop and Pionner’s closed and non-innovative ecosystem, never for the stems announcement. And after seeing the XDJ-AZ, I knew I made the right choice.
Stems is by the way, something I rarely use, (with Serato of course, those on Rekordbox sound like trash) specifically to record my own remixes, then I transfer them to my P4+, but I dont find them necessary for live performances.
I already knew that the old Rockchip processor was not good enough to handle such demanding task, but the software is a different tale.
The day the AZ made its official debut, a guy in YT said that Denon is currently testing Engine OS with a more powerful processor that will be featured in future hardware.