Hello all! I have a problem with Flanger effect. I have been using Pioneer products for 20 years but Denon Flanger effect is so ridiculous. When use flanger drop volume and “Flanger” sounds is so bad. Please make more “pioneer” sound! this is my big problem with Denon products. Flanger is essential effect for every Dj. Please fix! (I have a Prime 4 + SC Live 4.)
I’m a DJ, and it’s not essential to me.
There are two types of flangers: have you tried both?
Have you tried adjusting the band filter parameters to see if you get better results?
As a previous Pioneer user i fully agree that the flanger sound better on the Pioneer product. The main volume was not droppping when using this flanger FX , this is suite annoying on the prime 4+
I fully agree with you- The volume attenuation is really annoying and the sound is far from that of Pioneer or Traktor.
hope they fix it in the next update.
What about the Touch FX version? You can increase or decrease the depth of the effect using the XY pad?
You should try and compare the Pioneer FX to fully feel what we are trying to describe.
I think professional full time Dj’s can uderstand this problem. If you are a home dj without YEARS of pioneer user experience your comment is not relevant. I need DENON make better and better and finally get international club standard headliner setup!
Yes that’s us. All ‘home DJs’ who’ve never had the utterly obscene privilege of using something made by Pioneer DJ… You got us all worked out there
Pioneer gear I’ve owned over the years:
DJM-600 DJM-800 DDJ-SX2 DDJ-SP1 CDJ-1000 mk3 CDJ-800 CDJ-350 XDJ-R1
Held a residency for 9yrs at a busy town centre bar with a pair of CDJ-2000s and a DJM-900 nexus, play regularly on my friends DJM-750mk2 at vinyl gigs.
Do I need to seek more experience?
Asking for a friend.
These type of “it’s not identical to Pioneer, therefore it’s bad” comments do make me laugh
If you’re a professional full time DJ then I have to ask - how many times during your career has a member of your audience complained that you’re not using a good enough flanger?
Can you believe I thought the same thing?
Make that “every DJ minus one” (me).
That you’d like the effect improved is totally fair, but the amount of posts of “I speak for every DJ in the world when I say that…” is getting tiring…
I think not the “club standard” equipment using describe somebody as a “professional dj”. Home dj? Professional djs, who play only their prepared sets? Practiced top of 20 transitions within that and that is all ? Using the same dead boring “club standard” effects all the time with some ridicoulus theatrical body movements? So annoying most of them. Not to mention the “festival pro” djs… sometimes from playback… even the biggest names… No, that is not mean you are professional. Even if you a DMC champion with highly trained scracth knowledge, you are not. This is mainly marketing, most celebrated dj-s is females - just check everywher - nice face, huge tits - just toching the potmeters and thousands followers garanteed. The way what they are using - their talents - that is professional. But as DJ… but this is the consuming society… Anyway - if you are asking, that would be nice, if the DenonDJ controllers would know the same parameters as the … controllers, that is ok. Why not, more “pro” dj could use it, why is not using the same “club standard” interface - AT will be forced to reduce their highly overpriced devices. So please, if you have a request just ask, but do not say just because you are pro… this is not professional…where is the humility? - what is the main power of a pro - be a dj, carpenter. Peace
Flanger is essential effect for every Dj
Flanger is still a thing in 2024? Asking for… everyone.
The late 90s are calling, they want their Flanger back:
I had owned the DJM-400 and 700, but it’s a while ago. Denon Flanger doesn’t sound dramatically different or worse. Nothing your guests would ever notice. Can it be improved? Sure. Was such a drama-style written topic required for that? Certainly not.
LoL, I play on stages, festivals, clubs and other locations, used Pioneer a lot, for me the sound of the Pioneer gear is not up to standard. Why? Because it actually is not good. Every sound engineer that has trained their ears over the last decade or 2 will tell you. They hear the difference between the dj mixers and quality of played tracks from the first beat. And on top of that if you make a blind test with same wave files, you will be surprised…
No professional dj brags about such minor things. Exactly this makes you look not professional at all…
Of course there’s the historical comments from Tony Andrews of Funktion One, who always refused to allow use of Pioneer mixers on his systems, instead opting for Formula Sound.
They’re not a company that mass produces mixers in far off lands to save money.
Even going as far as collaborating (for a cool four grand!):
https://www.formulasounddirect.com/ff62l-professional-dj-mixer-p-116.html
I used a model of these behemoths this summer at a festival.
Now this explains why they had the mixer. The speakers were Funktion 1.
Wished I had a DJM though. Did a three hour set without any FX.
Oh, in this category, here is the MX180, another staple in professional DJ mixers:
This thing could play with all VUs full on, and still sound good, while indeed, when the DJM800 started to go into red it was already hard clipping in a way that you would think the subwoofers where going beyond Xmax… It was a known fact among audio technicians that the Rodec sounded much better than the DJM800. But offcourse, due to all FX built into the DJM, the Rodec got deprecated.
I think in that regard, the term professional DJ is one to be taken with a big grain of salt. I see DJs having released tons of hits, or DJs known from national radio stations who play high into red on the mixer, or disregard any SPL regulations. I have seen one of Belgiums top 5 DJs even getting the venues permit pulled (I had to deal with the police and city officials which arrived when I just started my set after this guy)… These guys are popular for sure, but you cant be named professional if you don’t follow the basics. And in arts, what does professional mean anyway. Anyone running in here stating a professional DJ cant play without function X is taken with the same grain of salt: There was a time DJs played with 2 turntables without pitch control and a simple crossfader (not even a mixer) to fade between them. And that did the job, people where dancing. Its nice we have those tools today, but don’t overrate yourself if you don’t remember the basics. Its like pretending to be a race pilot while not being able to drive a manual gear shift and going through engines twice as fast as your fellow drivers…
Don’t walk beside your shoes, be humble!