Look at the overview waveforms on your own screenshot, not a single one following the same pattern.
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Its either 8 or 16 bars to a phrase change. Standard music production basics. There will always be deviation between songs but this is generally the case.
But that doesnât mean the changes all happen at pre determined points whereby you can ask software to peg it on a certain bar and itâs going to be relevant, itâs simply not that rigid.
Following 16/32 beat phrases to make music and doing what youâre suggesting are two completely different things.
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Get the ability to specify Cue point color
This is also something I miss. Standard Hot Cue colors, instead of having to swap them manually every time.
My pattern is usually [Red] [Orange] [Yellow] for -32/-16, -16/-8 and A.
Also, the last two Hot Cue colors (cyan and blue) are hard to see on the waveforms.
Set a default beat jump instead of changing it at the start of every session
On the players you can change the standard value. However, for the desktop software itâs true. It always defaults back to 4, I just checked it.
Yeah, I assumed it was referring to the players and not the desktop software, the âstart of the sessionâ part was confusing.
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What is weird about that desktop beat jump values - maybe a bug or just something I donât grasp - that the actual value it performs is just 1/4th of the actual set value.
I set it to 32 beat jump but it only jumps by a value of 8.
Tried the same for 16 and it only jumps by a value of 4.
Not a biggie, I just set it to 32 and simply jump by double increments of 8 to set my intro cue points, just a bit confusing. Is this supposed to work that way?
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I have to be honest, I donât think I even realised there was one. That definitely doesnât look/sound right to have it half the value though?
Sitting here with my popcorn, enjoying the discussion about bars and phrasesâŠ
Itâs clear to me which DJs have the experience and knowledge. Be prepared to listen, Donât dismiss whatâs being said. They speak the truth.
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Classic soul, funk, disco (yes, even disco) and the remixes vary widely in their phrasing. Iâd rather get to know the music and set my own cue points. Thatâs not to say the automatic cue point feature couldnât be available for those that want it. Perhaps assisted by AI or sharing. But, before thatâs done, the beatgrids need to be accurate. DJay Pro is rolling out those features in the correct order. Hereâs to hoping Engine is too and improved beatgrids are on the way. Thatâs where Rekordbox has gone wrong. Mojaxx pointed that out.
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Thank you. Yes, I know how beat/bars/phrases work.
Nevertheless, you still solved my issue - it was a plain mental blockade on my side. Somehow, mentally I was simply too fixed on those numeric 16 vs 4(5) values, totally forgetting that those values beneath the waveform count the bars (as they should) and not the beats. So, my bad - it seems that I need some vacations!
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Interestingly inMusic has the tech already and is used to good effect. Itâs accurate enough to need little to no adjustment at all on scanned tracks. Tracks take a second or two to analyse.
SoundSwitch does a fantastic job of analysing a track, working out phrases and breakdowns and applying lighting effects to it.
By replacing those lighting cues with hot cue points it would be the function that you request.
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Thats a great point actually.
Iâve been thinking about this and while I disagree with you in the general sense, some artists are pretty much formulaic.
Chemars is a good example of an artist who has a formula and stick to it (from what i can tell). Their music is almost entirely predictable because of it. This is why I said itâs all about what you get and who you get it from.
Now, house music in general? Absolutely not.
Hereâs four pages of purchases from Traxsource just this year alone. if you zoom in, you can see that there are some artists that do not even follow the same pattern for their own tracks, which is pretty fđ„king dope.
If what you see below is âpretty much the sameâ to you then we have different definitions of âthe sameâ. ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Not trying to be combative, just wanted to provide my point with data. =)
Fellow Chemars fan here 
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Absolutely love their work. XD
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I still poke around in the Jackin House playlists on Traxsource 
⊠even it has become a bit formulaic in style
yeah, there are some producers who tend to follow trends for sure. I try not to fill my collection w/ those producers, but Chemars is hard to stay away from
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Scott Diaz is another, you recognise his tracks but they are so so good
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The discussion is constructive and in the process we will hopefully benefit to make our work flow easier and more efficientâŠI use cue points as place holders for phrases a âphrase jumpâ in a wayâŠI canât be exactly sure because I cant see the beat markers on your analysis but looking at the wave forms to me they majority of tracks follow the same formula of 8 or 16 bar phrases to lead inâŠ
