It would be very nice for all of us if the Denon group would give some sort of sign regarding software updates as the competition does.
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For example ?..
Inmusic are ahead of the competition with regards to firmware updates in at least 3 ways:
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Notification of new firmware/software available to download
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The ease of install - you can download and install new firmware over-the-air via WiFi download, by usb stick, by computer connection.
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The updates arenât just bug fixes or patches, theyâre normally loaded with new features
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Who? and what updates do they give? I use other software and certainly donât ever see anything announced before they release.
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The last time they did this it backfired on them (#STEMs)âŚ
I think this debacle is one of the best example why you can only go public once you are 100% sure you can deliver. And in software that mostly means when you are finishedâŚ.
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Hear Hear Johan.
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Yes, never give any specific date if you are not sure. First lesson I learned as an IT guy. You never know how long it will take until you really tested it in every way 
and still than some other development can crash it
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People who donât work in this field will never understand the complexity of this/all modern software. Literally, from the ICs that comprise our computing platforms all the way up to high-level languages - a house of cards. Any little thing in the stack of stacks can derail an application.
Countless people have reached out to me in my career with the âI have an app ideaâ conversation where they wanted a social media app that was a mix of facebook, twitter, instagram and even with some Amazon done, and they wanted it in a few months time with one software engineer. 
Those non-experienced people think an idea can become an application or even a feature because âitâs easyâ. This happens ALL the time even on this forum. They have no idea how the classes/modules/frameworks/libraries that comprise features all relate and depend on other things.
The stack of cards that this stuff rides on is so fragile, itâs a miracle any of it works at all.
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Im sat here right now discussing how to change a single function on our systems, what seems âeasyâ from the front end is actually incredibly complex behind the scenes, and the function already exists elsewhere on the system.
Its easy to say âthis can be doneâ when youâre on the outside looking in.
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FWIW, even with my experience, I fall prey to this too sometimes. Example of this is âfix the mac scrolling issueâ. XD
Inertial scroll math is not for the faint of heart, and i â â â â at math
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Well, the Denon DJ Prime+ is very awesome, one thing I love about it, the sound quality is phenomenal. I know you are talking about in general. I would think they have beta left and right for us to try out. I donât understand and trying to figure out if they care still or not. I donât think stems is going to happen, one reason i bought the prime 4+. I want to be clear to some of the white Knights that always defend, when people ask about Stems. It was not clear in every description, on dealers selling the prime 4+. Some had it was in beta others did not. Im almost ready to sell my prime 4+ but I dont want too, stuck on what to do.
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[quote=âKerry_Metzger, post:10, topic:59191, full:trueâ]Im almost ready to sell my prime 4+ but I dont want too, stuck on what to do. [/quote]
This is exactly what I meant when I wrote this post. I am a c++ programmer AND I know what difficulties there are sometimes. But hell at the competitors you can see that they are working and that they are doing something and at Denon nothing is happening it annoys me, and also I am thinking of selling my SC live 4. Which I like very much and it does a good job but is missing a few important things.
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Well, thatâs what I meant with backfiring. There was a public beta, which to a lot of people wasnât really up to par sound quality wise. But a better sound quality isnât possible because the CPU probably canât handle the more complex algorithm (this is pure speculation by a lot of forum members, based on the rockchip specs though).
What should InMusic do now? Continue with the lower quality algorithm, or refrain from stems until they release more powerful hardware? What should they have done? Did they make the right move by releasing a public beta to receive users feedback, or should they have remained silent not to raise expectations? Should we feel bad about their less than optimal decision (only human after all), or be mad? Or maybe we ourselves donât know what we really want?
I have written a lot of critique about this in other posts, and I think my point came across to InMusic. The marketing machine has made expectations which couldnât be filled in, with all the disappointment as a result. Personally I feel this underlines why features have to be kept secret until they are finished.
But this wasnât the question in the OP: the OP asked for even more inside information⌠thatâs the exact opposite! More inside information will raise expectations even more, and result in more dissatisfied buyers⌠This proves that this forum is like politics: you canât satisfy everyoneâŚ
Iâm not white knighting. I try to have a balanced view on things: sometimes I bash InMusic with good reason, sometimes I defend them with good reason. I get a lot of flack of the real white knights if I do the former 
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Just because you canât see it, doesnât mean there is nothing happening.
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Seeing as one of the devs themselves has made a statement to say they are still working on it, and looking across at what is happening with Akai, you might as well stay patient and see how it pans out, there are multiple options to use stems with the 4+ right now, and nobody else is offering anything different to that, so you would just be spending cash to get the same thing.
Download Djay Pro and use your Prime 4 in midi mode, or Serato, for the time being.
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There are literally new features added (for free) every few months - how is that ânothing is happeningâ? 
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Just for my personal interest, which competition does give information about the upcoming release cycle? Would be nice to see whats coming. Can you send a link to that? If its true, its something i did not see a company really do.
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In the end you have to make a compromise: do you want really good stems? Laptop⌠Do you want a standalone device? Iâm afraid nobody is offering stems today.
Iâm not going to state everything is fine and dandy using SC6000âs, but taking into account all upsides and downsides I still think the CDJ3000 was the worse choice⌠Iâm afraid a perfect product does not exist, and we all have to make choices. Which choice you will make is up to you.
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