Am I the only one that thinks this

Do Pioneer devices offer play count?

Edit: it seems like the CDJ 3000 doesn’t allow on device rating either :man_shrugging:t2:

Edit 2: a little more googling and thinking surely their latest standalone device is far superior to my 6yr old Prime 2… then I found this thread.

If this is the par we are aiming for, I’ll stick to a 15 handicap. At least they have a new 3 grand XDJ in the works that I’m sure will be ‘next level’ and ‘industry standard’

You are right that Pioneer has more limited browsing functions on it’s embedded OS. But, if you then compare to desktop software, it’s Engine OS that’s limited.

I think we have to see this in the broadest picture: When digital DJing came about, DJs that play one hour sets settled for a USB stick with a rekordbox collection. But for allround open format DJs playing 8 hour sets, we were stuck with laptops, running Traktor, rekordbox, Serato, you name it… And most of us hated this thing, a computer gives you a lot of headaches, but there was no other way (remember the first generation CDJ2000, good luck browsing 20.000 tracks…). But now we have a generation of equipment with larger 10" screens that finally allows for DJs with larger collections to ditch their laptop in the booth. And of course, due to screen real estate, a 10" touchscreen will have a more limited UI than a 15" laptop with a keyboard and mouse. But still, DJs coming from laptops will compare with desktop DVS software.

So let’s not only compare to CDJ3000’s: yes, thats an important benchmark device for a part of InMusic customers, but the SC6000 can be so much more for another part of their customers…

But then by that logic i can just buy Virtual DJ/Serato and plug my Denon device into that and blow the whole argument out of the water, if we’re playing mental gymnastics.

Why would any sensible discussion about limitations within hardware compare this to a piece of laptop software that requires a laptop?

The guy above is clearly talking about ‘on device’ features so lets keep the discussion around that.

Because people want to ditch their laptop in the booth, but with minimal compromise in browsing comfort??

To me this makes total sense… Its like making mobile iPad apps from Cubase, Adobe, etc etc: off course there will be some compromise due to UI limitations, but those companies have learnt a lot regarding using touch screens instead of keyboard & mouse. Engine OS is no different compared to desktop DJ software, except for the obvious hardware lock-in…

Its not relevant as to why one companies standalone hardware is better or worse than another companies though, which is the topic of discussion here.

Currently people wanting to move from a laptop screen have to make severe compromises regardless of who they choose, yet people will have you believe they will only have to make that compromise with Engine.

No, on the contrary, I fully realize that , coming down that path, Pioneer CDJ3000 has more compromises to be made in the browsing area… otherwise I would have already left this forum :wink:

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Looks like they’ve removed the star rating option on there too, after having it on the 2000… bizarre decision.