Yeah id agree that the results are in no way surprising, and probably about right in terms of where each company stands regarding ‘software’
What would throw the cat amongst the pigeons would be InMusic creating a performance software.
That Algoriddim percentage i expect to jump up dramatically in the coming years.
It gets dogs abuse on Reddit for its usability, outside of the grasp of the Alpha forum mods.
What’s the point in that when all their controllers use embedded software?
I thought the new in music ethos was to get people away from using laptops?
And what you mean by a random boomer in the bedroom you trying to say that they have no clue when it comes to Djing and the software hardware they are using so trust me poll done on working DJs makes no difference as speaking from experience that random boomer Dj knows his stuff and Polls mean nothing look at Traktor there I know a lot of Traktor DJs and was once one myself and these DJs wouldn’t use any other platform never because it works best for their flow. And your poll has VDJ top and even that’s not everyone’s cup of tea so I don’t know what the meaning of this post is on this forum if it’s some sort of dig at Denon/Engine why it’s everyone’s choice and what works best for the individual just be thankful we have so much choice. Remember when the had 1210s or even 1200s that was it simple
Yes, all the Prime stuff is standalone - but some DJs do still cling to their software.
People will say that X feature is essential because [insert name of DJ software] has it, and constantly compare the standalone OS to whatever DJ software they favour.
As I mentioned earlier, that whole thing about linking Prime stuff to the computer came from requests here by people that believed it was “essential” because that’s how Rekordbox worked.
Maybe Denon will cave one day, but I hope not, because then it goes against the whole standalone concept.
horses for courses.
club / wedding - i’m on serato (with 6000m, club gear or any of my controllers)
festival - engine os / rekordbox usb
It would make sense to have your own software for your own Rane controllers!
In reality, what is paradoxical is that many of those who use rekordbox hate it. Either because it bugs, or because there is a lack of support, or for others, because it has limited features or not at the level compared to the competition.
They just do not want to admit it publicly in relation to the gaze of other DJs. Because you understand “it’s what everyone uses, and with that I seem credible, even if I hate it. So I force myself to use it to look like the others”.
It’s a bit the same thing for many serato users who do not really like the interface and the way it is arranged, notably with this horizontal browser system which is simply confusing. Many hate it, many find it heavy to handle, many even find it unstable, but they still use it “because it looks professional, you know”.
The worst thing is that most Rekordbox and Serato users spend their time shitting on Virtual DJ, denigrating it, but most secretly fantasize about being able to do everything Virtual DJ does on their Serato or Rekordbox. This is the great hypocrisy.
Agreed
I think this will happen sooner or later because developing a performance mode in Engine to transform it into directly controllable software would allow InMusic to have its own software for Rane products and not have to pay a royalty to Serato for the integration of a license to their controllers
I’m sure this has already been discussed and considered in the InMusic offices, I wouldn’t even be surprised if they were already working on it there.
Also agreed
Djay Pro is an avant-garde app on mobile tablet/phone media which are also more and more efficient.
Maybe this is even the future, maybe in 10 years every DJ will come with his iPad to the clubs instead of his USB key.
After all what differentiates a standalone like a prime 4+ and a rane 4 + an iPad with Djay?
the first is simply more limited than the second in terms of power reserve for the future, but both have more or less the same format. The only difference is that in the first the screen is integrated into the unit.
An iPad does not take up space, and is much more efficient than any integrated chipset. And you can follow the evolution by just changing your iPad while keeping all the rest of the unit as long as it works properly.
So mobile DJing is probably the way forward that could even replace standalones products.
I’m not saying that a DJ shouldn’t have different kit for different uses. I’ve got a selection of stuff myself.
Taking it in context with the the post I’m replying to - I’m saying some DJs go out and buy a standalone unit, then just use it as a controller with their DJ software.
That’s a fair point. I bought the Prime Go+ just to play about on and use at home. It works perfectly with VDJ in computer mode so is also a handy backup controller.
I have used it for one pub gig in standalone mode but there were compromises. The way sync works for starters and the lack of stems (although it remains to be seen how good they actually are in real terms).
For my mobile gigs I use VDJ, but then I also have a video screen as all my files are videos, sometimes do karaoke and also need a laptop with ShowXpress to control my DMX light fixtures, so for me Engine will always be a bit of fun or an easy solution for a pub gig or a kids party.
Guessing boomers in basements are OK? 
Rane One, Rane Performer, Numark scratch, Rane 72, all the Mixtrack devices? Denon’s own DJ mixers.
They all use someone else’s software.
I think it’s safe to assume he’s talking about the Prime kit (considering where we are).
It is InMusics forum though, and that is InMusic kit, also given the recent furore around the Serato takeover I think discussions about Engine desktop becoming performance software is 100% a fair discussion.
Or maybe a stronger partnership with Algoriddim if not l.
The major problem with algoriddim at this stage is that they are too anchored in the Apple universe, there are Windows and Android versions but these versions seem definitely less complete and accomplished than the mac version.
I suppose that this is a purely voluntary decision by algoriddim to favor customers evolving in the Apple environment, to which algoriddim has always been very close, to the detriment of other users who feel a little left out.
While you take Virtual DJ, whether it is the mac version or the windows version, they are strictly identical.
I also think that the business model of algoriddim based exclusively on subscription, without being able to buy a full license that belongs to you is a brake for many people (including me). Of course the price of the annual subscription is not very high, but you do not have the impression of owning the software.
If you use Djay for 6 years, you have paid almost the equivalent of the price of a Virtual DJ license, and the software still does not belong to you.
I prefer 1000 times to buy a full license even if it remains expensive (~300 $) and get the updates for free for life like Virtual DJ which also offers this possibility.
Sadly there isn’t real sustainable money in this model, which is why even windows has become adware. 
That said, some companies do offer this model and boy the biggest winner, IMHO is FCPX. I bought it for $299 in 2011, which amortized to present day is ~$23/yr. However, Apple’s made their money off of me and my wife & Kids via hardware sales. A software-only company would not be able to achieve what Apple’s done w/ FCPX and that’s why subscriptions are so attractive to businesses. Predictable revenue over dealing with feast or famine times.
In that category Total Commander (used to be Windows Commander) is that software for me. As a remade Windows version of old DOS Norton Commander file manager it was a onetime buy in 1999 and lifetime use.
I use the software every single day and it’s still being developed by the same guy. Utterly amazing.
The other thing to note about VDJ is that the price was $299 (plus VAT) when I bought it in 2008 and it’s the same price today. The only other thing I paid for was the Android remote app and that was £7.80 in 2015. Remarkable really when you consider the vast price increases (especially in the UK) post covid.
I use the latest fully updated versions of both every weekend and haven’t paid a penny more. Atomix is still a private company rather than being owned by a global corporation.
Imagine I bought the full license of Virtual Dj 1.0 in July 2003, the day it was released and it only cost me 15€ at the time.
Of course it wasn’t as powerful as it is today. It’s probably one of the best investments I’ve made in my life in terms of DJing. I’m now on version 2025 and I’ve never paid a cent more for any update or new feature.
This is a model that has worked for decades for most companies, and continues to work for many of them.
Take for example Image Line which publishes FL Studio, you can buy the full license and you will also receive all free updates for life.
I think above all that many companies have seen that some people were ready to pay monthly subscriptions, with Netflix, Spotify etc … and they have rushed into this model for the most part out of greed.
I am not against the subscription model per se for those who prefer to use it, but I think that the two models must be able to coexist. Either you buy a license at a higher price, or you pay the monthly subscription.
This is what Atomix offers with virtual DJ, They give you the choice. Algoriddim does not give you the choice.
Even Native Instruments, which had started to test the waters with a subscription model with Traktor Pro Plus, has abandoned the subscription model since the release of Traktor 4.
My best friend bought VDJ V1.0 for £15 back then. You get a lifetime license with that so he’s still rocking it to this day.