Maybe that’s because they do not mix vinyl but DVS…
Excellent news.
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That’s the last DJM good mixer… Like I said from the beginning… DJM-800 and I suppose he kept using it for a reason and never upgraded to many (on paper) better options from Pioneer.
Right here yeah yeah
Is it possible that this dip in phono pre-amp quality coincided with the demise of vinyl?
Is it possible that’s because they don’t care? if the vinyl is finished why include Phono inputs? and if you include Phono inputs which are cra*** why charge so much?
Now follow me… This is the sort of question your mind should generate… Don’t find excuses for them and for the record…both vinyl and digital sound is terrible, while the analog source is more obvious.
These said… I am not here to discuss Pioneer flows, enjoy your mixers.
Koco uses a 900nxs2, not a 800
I’m guessing because they can.
They are a business.
they okay to me on the digital side.
When we were still allowed outside my gear of choice was the 5000m paired with an S9.
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if the vinyl is finished why include Phono inputs?
Probably for DVS comparability. Ex: you can use a DJM-850 as a USB sound card and send timecodes directly to Traktor without having to use an external soundcard.
Let’s be honest, phono is not just about preamps, it’s also a about applying the RIAA equalization profile, which i guess can be modified by manufacturer based on their preference (or lack thereof).
Lots of people forget that vinyl has a form of audio compression / coloring based on physical characteristic of the medium (groove width).
Technics is literally the only reason that so many mixers still have phono preamps. There’s still a plethora of deejays that refuse to get with the times and purchase newer turntables. All modern turntables except Technics have built in phono preamps.
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Also phono preamp in most turntables is killed when motor power off is performed (exception - reloop rp8000mk2). So many dvs djs prefer to use phono in the mixer/sound card.
Most super oems have stop time adjust knobs for that very reason. Plus, Phase is a thing now.
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I think it stays on with the Stantons ST150
It has a overall power switch at the back panel, the one on the top does not turn of the pre-amps or the lights. I could be wrong though.
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Unofrtunately I don’t own them - but IIRC Reticuli posted his analysis some month back and it wasn’t that flat 
There was this drop in the highs…
That was like two years and a crapton of updates ago. :-p
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Check my post I did make some analysis with newer firmware It’s better but like not flat at all, it’s quite shame in 2021 when a apple dongle dac who cost 12 euros perform better in distortion/THD+noise/frequency response than a DJ USB multiplayer at 1500 euros
It’s not really hifi at all but in club who care ?
With serious monitor the difference is here with the CDJ 3000 (better specs better DAC …&)
Possibly the worst sounding mixer ever made. But if you’re happy, then its great.
Probably the best selling battle mixer ever made. It held its own for 5/6 years straight.
Indeed… design-wise and features it is great… it doesn’t stop it sounding worst than my 30 year old £30 mixer… beyond c***
In terms of battle mixer what will be your go to in terms of all rounder - DVS, Layout and Design, Sound, After Sales Support - hardware and software, Features.
Anything but Pioneer, I have a pair of Technics SL1200 GR, I have Mastersounds 4V, I use Denon External sound card for DVS + Phase, for the Pads I use Reloop Neon… I don’t scratch I mix and blend.
I’ve done everything I could to avoid Pioneer and I know exactly why.
If I was a battle mixer, I would pick A&H one of them Hybrid Analog Mixers with Sound card and Get maybe a Pioneer Midi Pad… Never their mixers… NEVER EVER.
I do respect people’s choice (for convenience) as my setup is a mess… but it does work and sound like a charm