OMG, NOT another firmware update

I understand your frustrations. We got used to a 3-6 month update cycle for a while. Now that the players already do more than any other standalone unit on the market, the dev team is able to spend more time focusing on under-the-hood improvements. Major updates to the core code of software takes a bit longer than simple additions. So, yes you will start seeing longer firmware update timelines.

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Anything is perfectly acceptable. There was nothing on the box or manual that promised “ roll up , roll up , 1 major new feature and 2 minor enhancements every x weeks”.

That gift horse has nice teeth …

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It’s a given that what you see printed on the deck is what your gonna get. Isn’t it? It doesn’t mean that new features can’t be added. It also doesn’t mean that new features should equal turning it into a spaceship :rocket:

Things like music management, ergonomics and interoperability are always getting improved.

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OK, nobody told me that there will be update on this media-player, BUT, would you ever by a phone or a smartwatch or anything like this knowing that the device will be forgot by the factory? I mean my smartwatch receives at least ONE little upgrade a month and a major upgrade every 6 months…Every app on your smartwatch is constantly updated by the dev team…The only thing that will not receive any update anymore is my KORG ZERO8 Mixer, unfortunately! They messed up something in the last audio stage that was causing the notorius HISS problem and for this reason the mixer was abandoned…

I don’t really know what you’re blabbing about, but the SC5000 still gets updates after 4 years in service. Agreed, it takes a long time and yes not every new feature might be needed, but stating “forgot by the factory” is based on nothing. Nobody said the Primes were abandoned.

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I think this comment from Jwill explains that also very well:

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The latest release is for SoundSwitch, whole owned by InMusic, it’s a separate dev team.

SoundSwitch has a large user following so for people, myself included, I’m absolutely ecstatic about the new release.

However, I’m sure a new Engine OS release won’t be far away, yes it has been a while. However, they have had lots of features listed in forums that people want. So, I’m sure it’s in the pipeline.

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There is a company called Pioneer DJ who is touted as the industry standard with a slew of products that stop receiving updates at the 2-3 year mark. :wink:

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but new features meant new devices from their side. Until they became what they are now.

I’m not saying everything is sugar and candy, of course, but what is these days (enter: consumer driven markets).

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Don’t forget two main points; The Denons have more features, by far, than Pioneer’s top end products

Pioneer forces you to purchase new hardware to have access to new features.

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Well, I have the XDJ1000 and I never ever needed a firmware update, since everything was already there! That is why I still use them without any complaint…As KRADCLIFFE said “their products are generally fully featured on release”, and that’s it!

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A friend of mine bought two of those in 2015, until he wanted to play FLAC files and needed to upgrade to the MK2 version about a year later.

My advice would be to hold on to the SC5000’s, but when your hope is long gone, then maybe the flagship of the competition is the best option for you.

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I had the mk2’s at one point. Was weird, Pioneer removed Serato Support. Updated from the mk1’s so I could have more than three hotcues. When I had to replace the screen on one, it was interesting to find the boards were almost identical between the MK1 and MK2. Still wondering why Pioneer didn’t just released a firmware update to add features instead forcing people to upgrade hardware …

As Reece mentioned, they also can’t play Flav and are finicky with 24-bit 44.1 WAV files, which other players in their range could play just fine. So, they weren’t fully featured at launch.

We are also still waiting on feature implementations that Pulse stated on the Pioneer forums would be implemented on the 3000’s 8 months ago that still have not been implemented, so the Pioneer timelines also aren’t too much different (if not worse) than the Denon timelines.

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I bought the DDJ and wanted to hook my decks through them, only to find there was no DVS support via Serato. 4 months later the mark II came that added this feature.

The topic of this thread is NOT a comparison btw DenonDJ and PioneerDJ, but why or not DenonoDJ is still working on adding the basic requested features to the SC5000. From the time elapsed from one FW upgrade to the other and the wheight of what they added, it seems to me that we are on a dead track that will end soon…I hope I’m wrong but this is the perception…

Nature of the beast.

I guess it’s the same if you started a thread stating this “insert brand” is the greatest…a fiver, a good percentage of the responses you will get will be about what’s not right about the “brand”

I’ve learnt to share my thoughts if I have any and keep it moving, and not to engage with folks who clearly have different needs to mine.

I remember the bpm debate and the typical response of use your ears :sweat_smile:

Well, I’ve updated my SC5000 again yesterday, so that could be an hopeful answer for all doubters.

Can’t comment if all the basics are ticked; probably not, as that’s partly personal IMO.

I’ll proceed and close this topic, if you don’t mind.

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No one can say that, so it’s no deficiency at all.

Everyone will have differing skill levels and widely differing abilities. Some won’t be able to DJ without auto everything, best grids, etc and would probably claim that those features are “the basics” that -they-must have, in order to DJ.

Others would look at the primes and say all the basics -for their needs- were there already on the primes.

Yes but before closing…updated your SC5000 with WHAT? And “AGAIN”? I’m sorry I do not understand… Thanks

Yeah a bit cryptic, sorry LOL. I’m not at liberty to comment beyond what I said, but I will confirm it’s a higher version number of course. :wink:

So to directly reply to your topic start statement: development is still very active, but no public ETA yet. Lots is developed in parallel. SoundSwitch 2.3 is just one result of that.

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