You can actually watch the hot cue coming if you zoom out, as I’ve already stated, but I’ll concede that, and can understand why some would want that. Denon should have an option which can be toggled on and off to use the bar counters to cues/loops etc
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Case closed, imho you’re just ignorant pal and clearly won’t admit you’re wrong and have got all touchy.
It’s cool though if you want to live in a world where HOT CUE and Mem Cue’s are the same and ignore all the facts and or others stating why they’re not then that’s your choice.
Happy Sunday guys
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I’m still awaiting 1 actual fact from you. Please do enlighten instead of spouting rhetoric. It’s not hard. Here, I’ll show you how:-
Currently Denon’s loops don’t allow arming. In all other softwares and Pioneers, this seems to be a pretty standard function, and by arming in advance, it means I’m not sat waiting for the loop to arrive, which if that is at exactly the same point as a mix, or within a bar, can make it hard to get everything on point.
See how easy that is when you have justified argument, instead of resorting to infantile quote extraction and name calling?
Now, back to the discussion, and avoid taking it back down to school yard level, please explain how memory cues will benefit the lives of Denon DJs?
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To go to cue point without triggering play using the left and right parameter buttons, i will like that.
- I still want my HOTCUES in trigger enabled mode.
Maybe i should just change my hot-cues settings to gated mode.
I have the motorized units and its a 2 hand job to park a CUE Point at the 12 o clock vinyl marker point.
- Paused Deck with vinyl marker at 12oclock, Press HOT CUE , Hold Platter with other hand, then Press Pause,
vs
- Paused Deck with vinyl marker at 12 o clock - then toggle to desired CUE Point with L-R parameter
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Well, I’m sold on Pioneer based on this feature alone. I say this because I’m used to being able to align the drops of two tracks well in advance, which in VDJ is easy because it lets you zoom way out. While AFAIKA only VDJ lets you zoom out far enough to be able to do this, still seeing less but having the countdown probably can get me the same result.
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That would be a function, to be able to individually set that and each hot cue. Personally don’t go in for tone play, but can see how some would want the two options.
For me it’s hard to understand why people want Denon to work exactly like Pioneer - would be a Denon badged Pio CDJ, no?
For me Denon Looping workflow/implementation is miles ahead of Pioneer - I will not go into Pio official forum asking for “Denon like” looping. Everything you can do on Pio you can do on Denons (and vice-versa) you just have to learn/adapt your workflow. Learning stuff is always nice, different workflows may offer new mixing possibilities and ideas.
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I started a feature request for it about a year ago
CUE/LOOP CALL function
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I’d like the Denon players to have all the essential features of the market leader. Not because I use all of them. But because of compatibility with existing rekordbox databases and user workflows. If any Pioneer user is held back from switching to Denon by the lack of memory cues, that’s bad for Denon’s business.
Fewer users/customers = less money in Denon DJ’s pockets = less product & software development for existing users.
Btw: I’d love to see memory cues being implemented because I use(d) them as visual (non-active) markers throughout my tracks. The cue scope on the DDJ-1000’s jog display was one of my favorite features. Same goes for active loops.
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Sooo basically you used them as hot cues but didn’t actually use them?
I normally use all eight hot cues for parts that I want to skip to / use for mixing techniques and a few (color-coded) memory cues as visual indicators.
Pioneer/RekordBox Memory Cue is used to not only set static visual markers but also active loops or static loop reminders. Loops can then be set to auto or infinite. All with Bar Countdowns within the Memory Cue workflow.
Memory Cue / Auto Loops / Bar Countdown are all linked within the Memory Cue system workflow, which all is missing from EP.
So until Denon either copy Pioneer or come up with their own version it will be forever requested from those use to using it or those even needing to use it.
FACT!
Using HOT CUE is not an ideal work-around, nor is it the same. And Auto Loops / Bar Countdown is all still missing from EP with a |HOT CUE work-around.
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How long are the tracks you’re playing that you run out of hot-cues/loops…? On some with vocal samples (e.g. Daft Punk - Harder Better Faster) I can understand, but if you’re using it on more than a handful of tracks then to be completely honest, you’re just doing it wrong.
As for visual markers, isn’t that literally what the waveforms are for? What genres are you mixing where the waveforms themselves aren’t a good visual marker?
Usually 6-10 minutes. I’m not using eight hot cues for ALL tracks (e.g. Techno, where there’s less happening in a track), but for the majority of my library.
How do you know?
Maybe I just have a different system of using my hot cues than you 
Let me be clear: It’s absolutely possible to mix two tracks without any waveform at all. I have started mixing Vinyl over 20 years ago. And while all that is doable - it’s just a matter of convenience for me.
And for anyone that uses memory cues AND hot cues a lot in their library it might be the showstopper when it comes to switching to Denon DJ.
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True!
I find it useful to have memory cues for two reasons:
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If you have several points in the track to label, I prefer not to waste Hot Cues which can serve their real purpose, which is to be able to jump to that particular point of the track. If I just have to insert a written memo (Memory cue), it makes no sense to have an associated button on that position.
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Using a Hot Cue (as I unfortunately do now) to have “memo” written on the track has the danger that if you accidentally press the wrong Hot Cue button, you will jump to a point that may not be on the grid or which may not be on the right beat 1/4, etc. On the other hand, a normal Memory Cue has no associated button, so you don’t have this risk of making a mistake.
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There we have it. Even someone who’s DJed on vinyl agrees. I know a DJ who used to use his own notation to indicate key points on tracks on his records. He would write notes on the labels of the records (on a white sticker) so that he didn’t have to remember the structure of every track, which isn’t easy if you are dealing with thousands of tracks. Virtual “memory cues” achieve just that, but are much more convenient.
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I think @Denon needs to reply on this matter now.
Mem Cue / Auto Loop / Bar Countdown all missing from EP.
It’s clear that such workflow is needed by many, and it’s clear that a HOT CUE work-around is NOT ideal. It’s also been made clear that Memory Cue is far more complex than just a visual marker as “some” on here have tried to make out.
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Not trying to make that out. I just use it like that 
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It’s not needed , just nice to have
Incoming voltage… that’s needed
And “by many”, is subjective unless there’s been a signed petition that’s doing the rounds. Mem cues have had some discussion the last 3 or 4 days incredibly forum, were discussed for a few days at a time previously a few times. That makes it more popular a request than some of the other suggestions, but less popular than some other suggestions.
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