Keeping RekordBox playlists synchronized on Engine DJ

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The meaning of a sentence “This is demanded” is a passive form/construction pointing out that a “demand exists”.

It in no way points, that I would be demanding anything. I did not write: “This is A demand” or “I am demanding”. Please try to understand the difference.

Pff.. And where did I claim something like that?

(note about bedroom dj’s)

Pff.. No you are referring to bedroom deejays, as I was talking about deejays that go to gigs.

But I can define this better, because it seems that in this forum there is a demand for exact definitions, otherwise users refuse to (even try to) understand other point of views.

#Case 1: A general DJ doing gigs in standard nightclubs (that have built-in booths), pubs, etc, playing what ever, are still quite widely using USB-sticks for the gigs. Those venues also have gear installed - and that is most commonly Pioneer. This might also be nation-related. In Finland we call these “restaurant-dj’s” and 99% of “restaurants” here are equipped with Pioneer.

I know, that especially nuskool-dj’s nowadays like to bring in their own console. But it is not always possible to use those → so you would bump into Pioneer.

#Case 2: A club-music deejay, deejaying his own selected style (e.g. trance-dj, house-dj, etc) that does gigs in events or nightclubs, etc, usually bumps up with Pioneer gear. If the place has a booth and installed gear → Pioneer. If it is an event held at some other place → gear is Pioneer (usually based on some bigger name’s rider).

#Case 3: Cities that have a small community of music-enthusiasts that have house-parties together. This group usually contains dj’s that have different brands of gear - but as the house-party is held at someone’s place that have “proper setup including speakers”, they (at least in my experience) usually have Pioneer-stuff. This might also be related to which nation this happens. In Finland we are very tech-forward and everyone tries to get the best stuff as possible. For decades that has meant having Pioneer gear even at homes (it is not uncommon to find CDJ-2000nexus2’s at some ones home but cdj-3000 were over the pain limit).

NOTE: I am not listing here cases in which dj CAN and usually DOES bring his own equipment. And I am not claiming that those cases would not exist. I am listing very common cases that prove that it is extremely common to bump into Pioneer-gear and the fact that if you want to use them well → you need to use Rekordbox (which means that better synchronization is much more general demand than couple of users here want to admit).

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NOW, there are still a lot of deejays spinning vinyl. There are deejays using control-vinyl, or phase-like gadgets. To my experience this is more common with dj’s that are not primarily in electronic music (meaning trance, house, techno, d&b, breaks, progressive, etc etc). If they spin as a deejay for a rapper (eg), they will bring their own instruments to the stage and do their stuff - this is not the dj segment I was earlier talking about (but someone felt it was important to lift this one segment up).

I do know some friends spinning electronic music and using turntables via control vinyl or similar. And I also play vinyl (and I still bump in to pioneer gear on every gig I do in Finland).

But my point was originally: Where ever you go to spin your music, Pioneer is the brand you are most commonly bumping into - and IF you have to use some other gear, it is almost every time Pioneer.

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It is unbelievable, that some users need to oppose the idea that Engine DJ would sync better with other dj software. Sit down for 5 minutes and try to think WHY do you oppose that. Why you do not want Engine DJ to be better that it currently is.

I just do not get this kind of attitude.

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Wowzers. You spent a lot of time typing “gimme what I want”

The part of reality that you may not be fully aligned with, is that InMusic/Denon DJ needs to think about any new feature request, with ALL, or at least the majority of DJ segments in mind, not just yours or the couple that you see around you.

I don’t oppose the idea. If 400 new features could be added to the various prime models next week, I’d be happy, ecstatic, overjoyed … like many other people would be.

What I oppose is -How- a very tiny minority of people are (ahem) “requesting” new features. To explain: most people fill out the feature request form, put their case forward about why the suggested feature might be useful to some DJs, and that’s all that a feature request needs. It’s done, it’s requested.

What is opposed, by myself and others, is the attitude of a minority of people who, seem to think that if the features that they want, don’t magically appear within what -they- consider to be a “reasonable” time, then they kick off with aggression towards anyone they think wasn’t listening

Make the request, display patience, accept that no matter how beautiful, how essential, how “easy” (lol) a feature is… it might never appear on a current model, or a future one, for any number of reasons.

You’ve voted for some requested items.

Maybe those items will be added to future versions, maybe they won’t.

Good luck lol

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Here he is, and it’s always him! The arguments always start with him!

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You spend a lot of time labeling me. That is fallacy. You attack on me, because you don’t have tools to prove the subject itself is false.

When I write to this forum, I write as an individual Denon user.

I have a need that has been presented 1) Multiple times, by 2) multiple users, 3) during multiple years.

Yet you still attack me like I am wrong here.

I think it is obvious that you have decided to oppose and cannot stop.

It clearly seems that you think I am just some stupid wannabe that just bought his first console. I have been active in the music and dj field for the last 40 years, since I was a kid. I have also worked on hardware business (Loupedeck devices) so I have some kind of experience and understanding what hardware firms that also do software “need to do” and how to “think ahead”.

This is not my first time.

And I do not understand your logic.

Denon CLEARLY wants to achieve and hook DJ’s from other brands (the MVP-level sync clearly states as much), then why would not they make it better and remove obstacles of getting more new customers - especially on the moment that AlphaTheta is currently facing.

My only though is that either Denon is dropping the DJ-markets (which seems highly unlikely) or they are coming with new stuff that is taking their resources (more likely). If I am correct, there should be something new within next 3-6 months (if not earlier).

You refuse to understand this has been requested multiple times, by multiple users, during multiple years.

(ahem) “requesting” new features.

You seem to be a total d*ck.

I have explained you multiple times that I was not demanding anything. But yet still, you want to attack me personally providing false implifications and continue your efforts to put me off. That is not how adults should behave. That is how bullies behave.

Your way of communication is below my standards and it stops here. If there is a way to block you, I would. I have no issues of having a debate and change views. But that is not what you are doing.

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I do not get the comment? Are you referring to Pasha being a bully in this forum - if so, I can believe. His communication methods are below standards.

He clearly wants just to argue, not change views or have a conversation.

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I’ve noticed your behaviour, yes.

Including, but not exclusively your comment from earlier, directed at me:

Now, who was attacking who with you calling me a d word, twice?

You do you… as you won’t even budge a micron to see anyone else’s point of view.

As you missed it from earlier, I’ll repeat:

You’ve made your request … maybe it’ll appear in future firmware or hardware, maybe it won’t - good luck

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First reply from you was an deliberate misunderstanding in which you started to create a picture of me as a person demanding stuff.

Explained it three times, yet you kept on attacking claiming the same thing over and over again. That is deliberate method of harassment.

Play the victim.

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Thanks - good luck again with your request

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Probably lay off using the profanity, Reese as a mod is extremely forgiving so its probably good if us forum members don’t try and push that kindness past its limits.

Pasha can certainly be abrupt with their words, and seemingly antagonistic, but the overall point they are making isn’t necessarily wrong. Whether its just a language issue (unlikely based on your subsequent comments) or your general attitude, your points are being presented in a manner that doesn’t invite positive response.

Would you say all this stuff to the devs in person? And would you accept it if someone came into your workplace and started calling your output stupid, whilst being overly aggressive with their approach to speaking to you? … im willing to bet the answer is a firm no, so perhaps address people as you expect to be addressed yourself.

What you’re essentially demanding here is for InMusic to spend time, money and resource on linking their software to a rival companies software, who are actually fully capable (and have done with their higher tier product) of blocking any access to it. There is also the Onelibrary discussion to be had, where perhaps that is the route needed over a direct link into Rekordbox.

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exactly like that!

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I wonder how far you’d get if you asked Pioneer/AT to add Engine import/sync to Rekordbox.

:thinking:

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….and here you are again, the same person complaining about others having their say on an open forum. :man_facepalming:

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Sigh. I see so many flags, I could start a union…

Editing out some name calling, but I’ve kept the posts for all arguments. Might be good to DM or ignore each other. Time for a breather on both sides.

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On-topic:

Tbh, your reasoning is sound, but that’s the essence of the real world problem. Venues and DJ’s will not change to another brand even if all the tools are there.

If the outcome to all scenarios is Pioneer, why would someone change to a non-Pioneer device? People just don’t like the hassle, even if they got it on a silver platter.

So, what do we need? DJ’s who genuinely choose to go a different route, using what really suits them.

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Back on-topic

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I mean, if you really want to make it smooth and you don’t mind the premium, you can try out Lexicon. It’s DJ library management software that was made by people who used to work for Pioneer, Denon, Serato, etc. It’s actually pretty nice

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What premium? For basic “getting stuff from A to B” it’s free.