# Prime4 firmware upgrade working well?
**URL:** https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476
**Category:** Standalone Controllers
**Tags:** engine-os, prime4
**Created:** [October 5, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476 "2021-10-05T22:30:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@brixsat](https://community.enginedj.com/u/brixsat)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/41 "2021-10-13T20:49:17Z")
Where did the crates go? I only have playlists now… i miss the crates!!!
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### Author:  [@mufasa](https://community.enginedj.com/u/mufasa)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/42 "2021-10-13T20:55:03Z")
> [@brixsat](#):
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> Where did the crates go
playlists are the new crates…same same
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### Author:  [@djonboard](https://community.enginedj.com/u/djonboard)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/43 "2021-10-13T21:02:13Z")
No, with Rekordbox, Traktor and Serato i never had compatibility problem with iTunes. engine Is not a strong software, 20% of function compared with the 3 mentioned, and with a lot of issues. If you select more Tracks, the last One goes immediately in edit status… Disaster.
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### Author:  [@Mixlive](https://community.enginedj.com/u/Mixlive)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/44 "2021-10-13T21:07:04Z")
And how’s the no-laptop-needed versions of those softwares working out?
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### Author:  [@djonboard](https://community.enginedj.com/u/djonboard)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/45 "2021-10-13T21:19:29Z")
DENON Is not ready PIONEER Is not ready but Rekordbox Is a Pro Software and Engine Is not. Where are tags ? smart Crates?
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### Author:  [@jamm](https://community.enginedj.com/u/jamm)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/46 "2021-10-13T21:21:05Z")
> [@djonboard](#):
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> smart Crates?
want want want!
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### Author:  [@Mixlive](https://community.enginedj.com/u/Mixlive)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/47 "2021-10-13T21:40:11Z")
Your fix is simple; Go back to a laptop dependent software.
For Rekordbox that would mean:
- Rekordbox Controller (minimum DDJ-1000)
- High Spec Laptop (i.e. Macbook Pro)
- Monthly Rekordbox subscription
TOTAL: $2500 (U.S.) + monthly subscription
Believe me, Engine DJ has a long way to go, but NO ONE in the industry is pushing new technology like Denon DJ is. It’s no ways as to where it needs to be…but I like what Denon’s doing and I’m enjoying it.
I still have club-level equipment from the competitors, but I find myself more and more inclined to use my Prime 4 and SC’s over my 2000’s and DDJ-SZ.
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### Author:  [@djonboard](https://community.enginedj.com/u/djonboard)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/48 "2021-10-13T21:47:41Z")
3000 Pioneers are perfect. Smart Crates, intelligent and fast system. A 10.7 screen would be top.
Do you know what I’m waiting for?
A Pioneer all in One with the same system of the 3000.
2500€? I Will buy It. Pioneer Engineers understand perfectly the flow in a live set.
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### Author:  [@Mixlive](https://community.enginedj.com/u/Mixlive)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/49 "2021-10-13T21:59:43Z")
From Pioneer? At that price? Please don’t hold your breath. The 3000’s right now cost nearly that much. The Pioneer DDJ-RZX was more than 2500€ with far less functionality. I promise you Pioneer will NEVER build a board like that. It would cut into the profitability on the 3000’s and 2000’s, not to mention new technology from them has been slow (if at all) for years.
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### Author:  [@rcatelli](https://community.enginedj.com/u/rcatelli)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/50 "2021-10-13T22:07:25Z")
So “perfect” that pio released fw 1.2 only to drop it two days later as 3000 freezed and pitchs jumped by 1 bpm 😂😂😂A lot of returned 3000’s with bad jogwheels😂😂😂😂
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### Author:  [@brixsat](https://community.enginedj.com/u/brixsat)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2021, 8:56am UTC](https://community.enginedj.com/t/prime4-firmware-upgrade-working-well/35476/51 "2021-10-14T08:56:40Z")
They should not be using sqlite. I have thousands of music and its very slow to query a sqlite file. Its very very slow to search at a number of musics i have.
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